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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:52:22 +1000

From: Harold Luntz

Subject: Vicarious liability for intentional torts

 

In relation to Robert's statement that "you cannot bail boys", people may be amused by the similar view of McPherson J when one of the three cases that came before the High Court of Australia in Lepore was in the Queensland CA, Rich v Queensland (2001) Aust Torts Reps 81-626. He referred to what was said in the NSW CA in Lepore and commented:

Mason P also referred to the decision in Morris v C W Martin & Sons Ltd [1966] 1 QB 716, in which the defendant bailee of a fur coat was held liable to the plaintiff bailor for theft of the coat by a servant of an authorised sub-bailee to whom it had been delivered. Commenting on the decision of the English Court of Appeal in that case, Mason P said that, if Morris v C W Martin & Sons Ltd was good law in Australia, and if the State was not liable in Lepore v New South Wales, it must follow that the law imposes a higher responsibility on a bailee for looking after a fur coat than it does on a school authority for looking after a child. Quite possibly it does. Because children in so many ways obviously differ from fur coats, they attract a different set of legal norms. For one thing, they cannot be protected from injury by the simple expedient of locking them away in a safe place. That is not why they are sent to school. For another, the plaintiffs in this case were not stolen or kidnapped by (on this analogy) a servant of the States sub-bailor [the teacher]. It may perhaps be open to question whether what happened to them here necessarily amounted in law to an act of conversion. But, in any event, conversion is a wrong done to the bailor or other person entitled to immediate possession, who, by analogy with a chattel, would presumably be the plaintiffs parents. The parents are not the ones who have brought this action for damages for the harm done to the plaintiffs (at [19]).

However, despite these differences, I agree that if a school entrusts the care of children to a teacher, who sexually abuses them, the school should be vicariously liable for the teacher's acts. But, as Lister said, not for the acts of a gardener whose responsibility is to care for the garden, not the children.

 

Harold.

At 07:37 PM 8/10/2004 +0100, Robert Stevens wrote:

1) For myself, I have always thought that in Morris v Martin the non-delegable duty arising from the bailment explains the result. If the damage had been caused by an independent contractor the result should be the same. The claim is in bailment. You cannot bail boys. I have some sympathy with the idea that every time I have assumed that care for you will be taken I will be liable if it is not, even if the person who is careless is not me nor anyone I am vicariously liable for. That explanation of Lister is not adopted in Bernard or Mattis.

2) On Bernard, the Salmond test is pretty open textured and I can see how, at a pinch, a policeman's shouting 'police' and shooting you whilst he is off duty can be seen as a "wrongful mode of an authorised act." A stretch though.

3) On Mattis, the CA hold the club VL so why the 'other way'?

 

 


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