From: Norman
Siebrasse <norman.siebrasse@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday
14 August 2024 12:56
To: Jeannie
Paterson
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: HCA
on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
As another example, the Canadian
Competition Act provides for an "administrative monetary penalty"
of up to $10m for an abuse of dominant position (s74.1.(1)(c)), or for
prematurely closing a notifiable transaction (123.1(3)). The Act assures us it
is not criminal in nature: 79(3.3) "The purpose of an order made against a
person under subsection (3.1) is to promote practices by that person that are
in conformity with the purposes of this section and not to punish that
person."
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Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 8:48 AM Jeannie Paterson <jeanniep@unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
Eg the Data Protection Act 2018.
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From: Jonathon Moore KC <jpmoore@vicbar.com.au>
Date: Wednesday, 14 August 2024 at 9:08 PM
To: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>, Kayleen Manwaring <kayleen.manwaring@unsw.edu.au>, Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>, Jeannie Paterson <jeanniep@unimelb.edu.au>, Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>, obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
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Although perhaps not as widespread as in Australia, doesn’t the UK also have civil penalties, without the usual protections of the criminal law?
Not that I favour the regime…
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From: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Wednesday, 14 August 2024 at 8:24 pm
To: Kayleen Manwaring <kayleen.manwaring@unsw.edu.au>, Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>, Jeannie Paterson <jeanniep@unimelb.edu.au>, Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>, "obligations@uwo.ca" <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: HCA on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
ie a punitive sanction without any of the procedural protections of the criminal law, but with a different label?
From: Kayleen Manwaring <kayleen.manwaring@unsw.edu.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:11:09 AM
To: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>; Jeannie Paterson <jeanniep@unimelb.edu.au>; Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>; obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: HCA on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
It does, Matthew, but this is not a criminal remedy under the ACL, rather it's a civil penalty.
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From: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 7:39:38 pm
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Subject: RE: HCA on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
Does s.224 not permit the imposition of “pecuniary penalties” for breach of s.21, as a provision of Part 2-2?
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From: Jeannie Paterson <jeanniep@unimelb.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: HCA on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
Rest assured there is no criminal liability for unconscionable conduct under the Australian Consumer Law, only civil liability.
(The statutory prohibition on unconscionable conduct is closest to undue influence element of aggressive commercial practices in s 7 of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.)
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From: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>
Date: Wednesday, 14 August 2024 at 7:04 PM
To: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>, obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
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Thanks Neil. Even by the standards of consumer statutes, criminal and civil liability by reference to “unconscionability” is pretty radical! Our legislation is slightly more specific, prohibiting “misleading” and “aggressive” practices.
On the “knowingly concerned” element, one might compare it to the English decision on unlawful means conspiracy in Racing Partnership [2020] EWCA Civ 1300. The CA, relying on both civil and criminal cases, held that it was not necessary for the defendants to know the means they had agreed to deploy were unlawful in order for them to be liable, provided they know all the facts which make the acts unlawful. There is also no defence of honestly believing (eg based on legal advice) that the steps you have agreed to take are lawful.
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From: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 3:03:12 AM
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Subject: ODG: HCA on unconscionable conduct and accessory liability
Dear Colleagues;
I thought some might be interested in this decision from the High Court of Australia today: Productivity Partners Pty Ltd v Australian Competition and Consumer Commission; Wills v Australian Competition and Consumer Commission [2024] HCA 27 (14 August 2024) http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCA/2024/27.html .
The issues concern a statutory prohibition on unconscionable conduct (s 21 of the Australian Consumer Law("ACL") provides that persons must not, in trade or commerce, in connection with supply of services, "engage in conduct that is, in all the circumstances, unconscionable"), and the accessory liability of a director/manager where a company is found to have engaged in such conduct. The facts involve an education provider in effect deliberately taking on students who it knew would probably not succeed, for the purpose of getting funding for those students.
There are a number of different decisions from members of the court on these issues (apart from a joint judgment from Gageler CJ and Jagot J, all the other 5 members of the court write separately), which range over how to define “unconscionable” in terms of social norms, to the extent of the knowledge required for a company officer to be an accessory, and issues around how a “system” may be unconscionable. The work of colleague Elise Bant is extensively cited, and other ODG colleagues Rachel Leow and Jeannie-Marie Paterson also are mentioned.
For my part I found of particular interest the reference of Steward J to the historical origins of equity’s standards in the background of Christianity – see para [297], while acknowledging of course that “religious-based concepts of conscience have since the seventeenth century been
replaced with particular written rules, based on precedent” ([300]). I discuss the background of the Western legal system in the Christian world-view in my course on “Law and Religion”.
That to one side, there are lots of interesting things in the judgments about how to apply a statutory standard of unconscionability in the modern world.
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Neil
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